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Elevation Cerificate Help!!!!!!

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Elevation Cerificate Help!!!!!!

Posted by ron berry on Jul 8, 2011 11:13 am

In section A, paragraph A8. when figuring the number of permanent flood openings in an enclosure, this has a walk out basement with garage door and regular door. Do you show the net area of these two openings? I'm guessing that they are permanent flood openings. Thanks, Ron...
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Re: Elevation Cerificate Help!!!!!!

Posted by Don Poole on Jul 8, 2011 11:37 am

Ron, i believe the permanent openings need tohave flow through capacity,

Here's the description from the 2004 FAQ's.
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7) How should the total area of permanent openings for section C3.i) be

calculated if the openings include some type of cover?

Buildings constructed on extended foundation walls or that have other enclosures below the Base

Flood Elevation in A Zones are subject to flood forces that include hydrostatic pressure of

floodwaters against the foundation or enclosure walls. If the walls are not designed to withstand

hydrostatic pressure, they can be weakened or can fail causing damages to the building. The NFIP

Regulations at 44 CFR 60.3(c)(5) require that foundation and enclosure walls of buildings

constructed in A Zones contain openings (flood vents) that will permit the automatic entry and exit

of floodwaters. These openings allow floodwaters to reach equal levels on both sides of the walls

and thereby lessen the potential for damage from hydrostatic pressure. Under the NFIP, the

following requirements must be met for all new or substantially improved A Zone buildings that

have enclosed areas below the Base Flood Elevation:

There must be a minimum of two openings and the openings should be on different sides of

each enclosed area. If a building has more than one enclosed area, each area must have

openings on exterior walls to allow floodwater to directly enter.

The total net area of all openings must be at least 1 square inch for each 1 square foot of

enclosed area.

The bottom of each opening can be no more than 1 foot above the adjacent grade.

In situations where it is not feasible or desirable to meet the openings criteria stated above, a design

professional (registered architect or engineer) may design and certify the openings. See Technical

Bulletin 1-93 on Openings in Foundation Walls for Buildings Located in Special Flood Hazard

Areas (FIA-TB-1) for additional guidance on the openings requirement. In all cases, any grates,

louvers, grills, bars, or other opening covers must not block or impede the automatic flow of

floodwaters into and out of the enclosed area.

Figure 2. Limited Access to Crawl Space

Letters equate to items

in Section C3. of the

Elevation Certificate:

a) Top of bottom floor

b) Top of next higher

floor

f) Lowest adjacent

grade

g) Highest adjacent

grade

h) No. of permanent

openings

i) Total area of all

permanent openings

in square inches.

National Flood Insurance Program Floodplain Management Bulletin

Page 10 of 20

Item C3.h) of the Elevation Certificate asks for the number of permanent openings in the walls

supporting the building that are no higher than 1 foot above the adjacent grade and item C3.i) asks

for the total area of all such openings in square inches. If there are no permanent openings within 1

foot above the adjacent grade, “0” (zero) should be entered in items C3.h) and i). Also, the surveyor

should note in the Comments section whether the openings are in the foundation walls of the

building and/or in the walls of any attached garage.

When there are grates, louvers, grills, or other opening covers as indicated in Figure 3, the surveyor

can estimate the net open area in the flood vent (total area of all permanent openings in square

inches). If the size of the openings, excluding any grates, louvers, grills, or other covers, cannot be

estimated, the surveyor can measure the size of the opening, without consideration to the existence

of any covers, and indicate in the comment section the type of opening cover that exists. It is the

community’s responsibility and not the surveyor’s to determine whether the size, number, and

location of the openings meet the requirements of the community’s floodplain management

ordinance. 

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http://www.fema.gov/pdf/fima/fema467-6-10-04.pdf 

Good Luck,
Don


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Re: Elevation Cerificate Help!!!!!!

Posted by Steve Gardner on Jul 8, 2011 1:22 pm

The NFIP definitions don't seem to directly answer your question about doors as flood openings or vents, but I don't think they would qualify as an opening that would "automatically" allow the flow of flood waters.  Certainly worth a call to FEMA and putting the data in the notes section of the certificate.  On the last EC I did, the property owners showed me a pretty large panel of plywood under their front steps that they remove when the flood waters start getting close to their house.  I didn''t count that as a flood vent because if they weren't home at the time of the flood event, it wouldn't work.  They had lots of flood vents around the house but not nearly enough even with the plywood panel to make much of a difference.  It turned out that their garage, crawl space and sunken living room were all under BFE although 3/4 or so of the floor area of the house was a few tenths above.  I'll bet the insurance people have fun rating that one.
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Re: Elevation Cerificate Help!!!!!!

Posted by ron berry on Jul 8, 2011 2:38 pm

Thanks fellas, been on the phone and simply got tired of being transferred to every tom, dick and harry....typical government crap.....the whole fema instructions and most everything involved with an EC is simply in a really gray area....personally I don't think they would be considered permanent flood openings, I believe they are refering to engineered vents for crawlspaces.....I'm just going to show the sq. feet for the enclosure and show 0 for openings, etc.
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Re: Elevation Cerificate Help!!!!!!

Posted by mbarr on Jul 8, 2011 4:39 pm

Only if they stay open
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Re: Elevation Cerificate Help!!!!!!

Posted by Carl Bausch on Jul 16, 2011 7:01 pm

Ron
In my opinion NO. When on vacation in Florida and the garage door and walk out door will be closed.
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Re: Elevation Cerificate Help!!!!!!

Posted by Sicilian Cowboy on Jul 18, 2011 10:23 am

A window or door is not a "flood vent".

Windows, walk-in doorsand garage doors do not allow water to flow freely in and out.
There are vents that are made to be placed in doors, or substituted for windows.
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