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Monument over a Quiet Title

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Monument over a Quiet Title

Posted by jerrocop on Oct 5, 2010 3:15 pm

1960 Bill purchase subject property, he is not the first owner of this parcel and its current configuration.  The Warranty Deed is written bearing & distance on all sides, no calls to an existing fence along his south line or the creek on the west.   Bill occupies and uses the land up to the fence and to the creek, which he assumes is his.

1997 Bill hires a local firm to survey his property.  The local firm maps the fences, structures, and creek.  The map also shows the deed to be 30 feet north of the fence on the south of his property and it does not follow the creek on the west.  (again, the current deed does not call to either one of these).  There is also an overlap in deeds on the west, which the surveyor monuments at all corners of the overlap.  His home is divided by the deed line and thus a portion of the home is on land he doesnt own (according to the survey).

2001 Bill has a court sign off on a quiet title for the property between his deed line and the fence to the south and to a point which is purported to have been on the creek which has since dried up and been filled in with earth, and the overlap.  Bill follows all state requirements for a quiet title, including notifying the adjacent property owners!  He gains .5 acres with the quiet title.

2009 Jerrocop is hired to conduct a survey on the property to the west of Bill's property.  In the process of the survey it is confirmed that the current deeds do not fit with the fences and creek and that there is an overlap.  Further research into previous conveyances and the original deeds, that separated these parcels, discovert that thier were calls along the fence and along the creek.  Also, the west property was conveyed earlier than bills property.  A map is produced to show the occupation evidence, current deed lines, and as-surveyed lines which follow the original calls to and along the fence and creek, and the overlap favors the west parcel.

I hope this all makes sense.

Here's the question, what do you do with the quiet title? 
Because of the quiet title action a portion of the south 30 feet (10'X30') belongs to Bill.  But, the reason it belongs to bill is because he relied on the first survey for the location of his property lines, which did not consider earlier conveyances which would clear up where these lines should be.  Earlier deeds call to the creek and along the fence AND the west property was conveyed before Bills from the larger original parcel (jr/sr).  The location of the creek can not be determined by any evidence other than what is written in the deed.

Here's what i think, and what i've done.  Even though I do not agree with the quiet title I have to hold it becasue it is a court action.  Furthermore, the property owners were notified of the action and did not respond negatively to the action.  I am monumenting the east line to include or recognize the quiet title and recommending that the owners challenge the quiet title in court.

What do you think?

 

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Re: Monument over a Quiet Title

Posted by Don Poole on Oct 5, 2010 3:41 pm

Did the quiet title action preclude him from claimiing what his deeds described?    From what i read the QTA was for one line and not all the property lines, right?  if later deeds clarify the property line to the creek then that works, and the QTA calrified the fence location and the property in between...

What is the basis to challenge the QTA?  In the courts eyes the decision was made on the best availaable evidence...
In the face of the quiet title action the jr/sr issue appears to be moot...

Don
 



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Re: Monument over a Quiet Title

Posted by DoingMy Own Surveying on Oct 7, 2010 11:54 am

I'm sitting here with my head in my hands, weeping over what has become of my beloved profession.

May God help us all, and especially the unsuspecting land owners.

Good grief.

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Re: Monument over a Quiet Title

Posted by jerrocop on Oct 7, 2010 2:15 pm

Don, the basis to challenge the QTA are the earlier deeds that clearly define the bounds of the property.  Which are the creek and fence.    
The other issue is the overlap, which I have determined favors the parcel to the west, this line should be defined by the creek but all evidence of it has been destroyed by earthwork.  The basic dimensions of the QTA are a rectangle 110'X30', of which 10' overlaps into the west parcel.

Would you ignore the QTA if you found evidence to dispute it?  I think not because a court action supercedes the record as I understand it.  However, I believe the QTA should be disputed by my client (even though he had a chance to challenge it before the court took action).  In my opinion the QTA shouldn't even exist because of the evidence I found in earlier conveyances clearly includes the area defined in the QTA!  In essence that property owner didn't gain anything he already occupied!

Only a portion of the overlap was included with the QTA, there is another 300' that overlaps and runs north.  A portion of this line is evidenced by the creek, the rest I have to rely on the deed because of the earthwork activity.
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Re: Monument over a Quiet Title

Posted by Don Poole on Oct 7, 2010 2:28 pm

that was my question/issue.  How could ignore the QTA?   Or challenge it?


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Re: Monument over a Quiet Title

Posted by Richard Schaut on Oct 7, 2010 2:34 pm

What are your state laws regarding statutes of limitation or repose?

Remember, the deed does not control the location of the property lines, it merely defines the area of search for the surveyor.

Physical evidence controls the location of the property lines and unchallenged occupation and control after a reasonable period of time is conclusive evidence of ownership of land here in the US.

The surveyor's responsibility in resurveys is to provide a means to detect errors in the record and provide the owner with a method of correcting those errors by assisting the owner to document the process of amending the record.

If not the surveyor, who?

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Re: Monument over a Quiet Title

Posted by msibole on Oct 11, 2010 10:36 am


Without seeing a picture of just what is going on here it is hard to give any advise.  However, if I understand things correctly in the fact the as you have surveyed your clients property that it totally encompasses the quiet title action area, then the quiet title action is moot.  I would identify the area as specified in the quiet title action. I would also show the property boundaries as surveyed and show that the quiet title action lies within your clients property.

Then again I may not have understood the whole scenario. 

Matt
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