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You mean THAT can keep me from getting a license?

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You mean THAT can keep me from getting a license?

Posted by Larry P on Mar 23, 2011 10:14 am

Have been doing a bit of research for a class I will be presenting later this summer.  While looking at the minutes from a board meeting I came across this little goodie.

The Board voted to suspend/deny the following licenses/applications for failure to repay a student loan or fulfill a child support obligation:

There were 5 names listed.  There is no way to know which of the 5 had issues with which of the problems (student loan or child support payments).  The point remains that issues with either of those items kept these 5 individuals from being able to sit for the exam in one state.

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Re: You mean THAT can keep me from getting a license?

Posted by Sicilian Cowboy on Mar 23, 2011 10:33 am

In NY and many other states, major (and sometimes seemingly minor) infractions can have an adverse impact on your license.

Drug possession, assault, spousal abuse, practically ANY felony conviction, can result in a suspension or revocation, and any conviction (except traffic violations) have to be reported at the time of renewal.

In fact, I have seen on NY State's licensing website revocations for failing to report such items.
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Re: You mean THAT can keep me from getting a license?

Posted by MLB on Mar 23, 2011 11:16 am

I might ask the rhetorical question, "why would anyone condone such behavio(u)r?", except some would. I really don't see why anyone would invite individuals who cannot honestly answer the requirement for "responsible charge" when there exists clear evidence they have not always lived up to their responsibilities. The student loan deadbeats are unfortunately already too well represented in some "professions". In fact, the accountability on student loans is so lacking it has prompted some organizations to take actions such as the one posted here.

We already have lowballers. Why should we compound it by adding deadbeats? I would add DUI to the list. This is a good step toward improving the image of surveyors.
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Re: You mean THAT can keep me from getting a license?

Posted by AverageJoe on Mar 23, 2011 2:54 pm

Maybe we should also exclude large hairy men who post pictures of themselves in shorts, no shirt while holding a machete. 
It would be in the public's best interest to at least discourage that type of behavior.





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Re: You mean THAT can keep me from getting a license?

Posted by MLB on Mar 23, 2011 3:05 pm

You already need to show a photo ID to take the exam. That ought to be the case here as well. 
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Re: You mean THAT can keep me from getting a license?

Posted by Mark Mayer on Mar 23, 2011 7:00 pm

Oregon has a "pilot program" under which your licensing can be held up if you are not "in compliance" with the Department of Revenue, ie/ paid your taxes to their satisfaction.
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Re: You mean THAT can keep me from getting a license?

Posted by Gunter Chain on Mar 23, 2011 9:35 pm

Not so weird, nor anything new.

There are generally things in the registration laws of most states dealing with concepts like "moral turpitude" or some other antiquated language, which ultimately puts a requirement upon potential licensees that they fulfill any outstanding, unfulfilled legal obligations.
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Re: You mean THAT can keep me from getting a license?

Posted by MountainHermit on Mar 25, 2011 11:36 pm

 The unfortunate reality is that some of those "infractions" aren't infractions at all.  Innocent until proven guilty is not something that the credit bureaus worry about, and the student loan thing is something of a scam on the part of the colleges and the collection agencies that bid on the "debts". 

While not the rule--defaulted college loans are a real problem--there are some college administrations out there that abuse their authority and run what amounts to scams.  Been there.  Fortunately my licensing states don't play that game, although it did worry me at the time since I didn't have the money to hire an attorney.

Yep, moral turpitude is in the language for getting licensed.  At least they skipped the BMI requirement.... ;-)
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Re: You mean THAT can keep me from getting a license?

Posted by MLB on Mar 26, 2011 12:14 pm


 The unfortunate reality is that some of those "infractions" aren't infractions at all.  Innocent until proven guilty is not something that the credit bureaus worry about, and the student loan thing is something of a scam on the part of the colleges and the collection agencies that bid on the "debts". 


 
Yes, indeed it is also true that credit bureaus get things wrong. Perhaps the lesson here is to visit "Free Credit .. Report dot com" or Experian or whomever when filiing out that license application just as you would when applying for a loan. That said, the student loan issue is very real.
I have never heard of a university running a "credit scam". But their bookkeeping and auditing has been known to be suspect. I know of several individuals who "thought" they graduated, in fact participated in graduation ceremonies cap and gown and all only to receive a letter from the school informing them they were actually shy a few units and needed to enroll in those classes to complete degree requirements. In some cases the classes were actually completed but professors failed to file grades and subsequently transferred to other schools.

This is a different subject, but the issue of tertiary education units and their value is something that could use some "cleanup".

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/03/07/20100307student-loan-defaults.html




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Re: You mean THAT can keep me from getting a license?

Posted by Ron Soo on Mar 29, 2011 3:25 pm





That also includes driving under the influence convictions and failure to pay any debts within appropriate time limitations.  Sure it should include college loans, why not?

Child support?  That goes witthout saying in my book.
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